Any Sierra Hot Springs tips?

topic posted Tue, July 10, 2007 - 8:55 AM by  Atreides
Hi folks:

I'm heading to Sierra hot springs in about a week, for the first time. I've been to Harbin, and love it, but thought I'd try something new. I'm flying into Reno, renting a car, driving over, and staying in the lodge.

Does anyone have any tips for me? Good grocery stores in Reno where I can stock up before hitting the Greater Truckee Metropolitan Area?

Anything for the first timer would be welcomed.
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Atreides
  • Re: Any Sierra Hot Springs tips?

    Tue, July 10, 2007 - 1:54 PM
    To me, Sierra is so much more pleasant and peaceful than Harbin -- beautiful setting, very few people, quiet atmosphere, and none of the unfriendly urban vibe you get at Harbin.

    There's a big Safeway and Raleys in Truckee, so you shouldn't have to shop in Reno before heading up, although the main shopping area is a mile or two west of the 89 North exit from westbound 80.

    Enjoy!
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    Tue, July 17, 2007 - 7:34 AM
    and sierra has wifi. . .so if you wish bring your laptop---
    I like it more then harbin for the peace and quiet--and it is situated in one of the most beuatiful valley in the world---get the hotsprings map and go to all of them--
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      Tue, July 17, 2007 - 11:42 AM
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        Wed, July 18, 2007 - 1:19 PM
        I've spent a bunch of time at both Sierra and harbin. there's a difference of scale. harbin is its own small new Age village, with a free movie house, temples, a general organic foods store, restaurants, a training center for Watsu, and all kinds of classes and, yes, scenes of one sort or another, including a security team that sometiems takes its job a bit too seriously. lots of massage practitioners. lots of forms of lodging. beautiful campgorund.

        Sierra's much smaller and kind of in search of an identity. it used to be its own "scene" when it was owned by and a project of Leobard Orr, who invented Rebirthing and is a bit of a cult figure in his own right...hwe stilshows up to ead an occasional seminar there camping is pretty simple but it is in a beautiful Valley. limited lodging, and the Blobe Hotel is a mile or two away. there are a few reguialr free yoga classes and some evening seminars for free at times too, depending on who's got the time and energy. there are other pay-for-em classes but as I say, it;s much smaller than harbin and not as 'developed" which is a good thing IMO. sometiems there's great acoustic jamming in their green room, and I liek their holiday buffet dinenrs...have done Christmas and Thanksgiving there and my only complaint is that I thinkthe vegetarians are subsidizign the emat eaters a bit...but the food is good and there are plenty of veggie options,

        I do wish they;d keep one guest kitchen or the other vegetarian BTW. theiur literature says no meat cooked at the Globe but they don't enfrce it at all.

        yeah, I like the staff a lot at Sierra 9though I msut say I know some GREAT people who work and live at Harbin.) as a rule, it;s more down-home and less modern tantra than harbin there...which to me is a good thing.

        I wish they had a cool swimming pool for these warm sumemr days. I like the informal feeling and think it's often a much easier place to take children, especially older ones who can be acutely aware of the rules liimting their presence at Harbin.
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          Re: Any Sierra Hot Springs tips?

          Mon, August 6, 2007 - 12:34 PM
          I went to Sierra a couple years ago, on a long hot-spring west coast tour, and I really liked it. The smaller hot spring back by the camping area was really peaceful. I did get bitten by a couple of waterbugs in the smaller spring, but I think that was an anomaly. I would definitely go there again, and it was a very peaceful environment...
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            Sat, August 25, 2007 - 11:11 PM
            I'm posting from Sierra at this very moment, and yes, it is very beautiful, peaceful and loose here - highly recommended!
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              Sun, August 26, 2007 - 6:45 AM
              Yes, Jewel....Id agree.....Peaceful and loose......I was there about 3 weeks ago for 5 days and had a great time.

              I sometimes find Harbins atmosphere to be a little "dry" which one couldnt say about Sierra.
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              Mon, August 27, 2007 - 11:49 AM
              When you were posting this, I was setting up camp in the campground!

              It was interesting to visit, but I doubt I'll go back.

              The hot spring in the temple dome is my idea of how hot a hot spring should be - many of the springs I've been in aren't as hot.

              Was glad to get home - the first thing I did was wash the smell out of my hair.
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                Mon, August 27, 2007 - 3:29 PM
                just wondering...why you feel you don't want to go back?

                sulfur springs smell? something else?

                I was hoping to get there last week after Walley's in Genoa and didn;t have time...regretably.
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                  Mon, August 27, 2007 - 5:36 PM
                  Too many restrictions... "Sign, sign, everywhere's a sign, blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind..."

                  No Pets?
                  No Booze?
                  Have to wear clothes within sight of the road?
                  Can't talk in the bath?

                  It's easier to just rent a hot tub!

                  Yeah, it was interesting to visit once, but there are a LOT of other places I want to check out as well.
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                    Re: Any Sierra Hot Springs tips?

                    Tue, August 28, 2007 - 10:12 PM
                    If you have problems with those kinds of restrictions, then you obviously haven't been to Harbin! They even employ a patrolperson to shush the talkers.

                    That said, I'm glad dogs, drunks and chatterboxes have so many places besides Sierra to enjoy themselves. I'll gladly take the peace and quiet they can't handle.
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                      Thu, August 30, 2007 - 12:24 AM
                      You are absolutely right that I've never been to Harbin. From what I've heard, it isn't worth the effort.

                      But I've been to Esalen.
                      And Sykes.
                      And Deep Creek.
                      And Muir Trail Ranch.
                      and a few I don't remember (mostly when I was a kid).

                      Warner wouldn't even let me in because I wasn't a member.

                      I went back to Esalen despite the restrictions - it was worth it (but I don't know if it's worth it now, since it's been rebuilt).

                      I crossed a river full of spring runoff to get back to the springs at Muir Trail Ranch.

                      For what it's worth, it's considered rude to not talk to someone if you meet them in the back country, whether they are in a spring or not.

                      Dogs a great bear deterrent (something Sierra should definately consider).

                      So what else is prohibited at Sierra?
                      No fires in the campground area.
                      No cooking, even over light stoves, in the campground.
                      If you want to cook, you may have to wait in line to use the community kitchen.
                      No sex in the baths. Ok, so maybe that's not my thing, but I don't understand why it should be prohinited.
                      You have to shower BEFORE you get in the water.

                      They even have a sign posted that says "Don't read this sign".

                      With a tip of my hat to Property Rights, they can do what they want. I think calling Sierra a "Sacred Place" is a bit pretentious and over-blown. They can keep their restrictions, I have better places to go anyway. But it was interesting - once.
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                        Tue, September 4, 2007 - 6:59 PM
                        well, this year Esalen is total NO FIRES too because of extreme fire danger, and i;ve lived in the California hills most of my life and believe me, it makes sense.

                        camped in Big Sur the night before the Esalen labor Day party and I WISH the campground had banned fires...inversion layer in full cmapgorund onwarm night made for smog and sore eyes, which I how I generally get pinkeye. (happened on a camping trip to Big Sur once a couple years ago, in fact.)

                        anyway, I think the Guest Kitchen as at harbin and at Sierra is a great alternative...hotel style meals.

                        the earth is suyffering from too mucb warming and burning, and the less we go making fires in the summertime, the better for our own and everyone else's heathy survival.

                        there's a durned good reason for no sex in the baths...they ar efor everyone and when I want a porn show I could pay for one...don't need to watch it for free
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                          Tue, September 4, 2007 - 10:58 PM
                          Dogs actually do little to deter bears, they can in fact make bears more aggressive.

                          Last time I went to Bagby I got bit by somebody's poor panicked dog that was running around loose.

                          Gee...no glasses on an extremely nearsighted naked girl hoisting a bucket of cold water, and bit in the leg by a black dog I didn't even SEE until it chomped me...what fun!


                          KEEP DOGS AT HOME WHERE THEY"RE HAPPY AND SAFE!
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                            Tue, September 4, 2007 - 11:13 PM
                            Dogs saved me from problems during my most serious bear encounter in 1991.

                            The confrontation lasted about 45 minutes. When the dogs started up my side of the canyon, the bear took off. They never got within a hundred yards of the bear.

                            I think that the girls who were hiking with their dogs didn't really believe me that their dogs had saved me, since they didn't see the bear at all.

                            Your mileage may vary.
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                          Tue, September 4, 2007 - 11:05 PM
                          I have helped fight grass fires in the east bay hills, and once put out a smoldering mulched-out tree above the tree-line near Forrester Pass on the JMT. Campfires are a responsibility that I take seriously. There are times when having a campfire is a good idea and other times when it is a bad idea. I generally do not have a campfire unless there's too much fuel around, and it would be better to have it go up a little at a time, rather than in an inferno.

                          Global warming is still being debated, and there doesn't seem to be any one problem (let alone one solution). The eruption of Mount St. Helens did more to harm the environment than two generations of campers ever did, even with the occasional fire that gets loose. Prohibiting campfires at Sierra Hot Springs has virtually nothing to do with my survival. I visited Bear Valley C.G. after it burned down - it was useless until it was rebuilt - but other than making me camp elsewhere (we moved over the pass and discovered Bassett's Station), I wasn't affected. Driving out from Bear Valley C.G. that trip was the first time I had ever encountered Sierra Hot Springs - I went right past the end of the driveway as I headed into Sierraville.

                          "the earth is suffering" may feel right, but this sort of expression is referred to in literature as "The Pathetic Fallacy", and is in fact a misrepresentation. The Earth has no capacity to suffer, regardless of whether you want it to. Your claim or implication that campfires harm the Earth is laughable; campfires are insignificant compared to other damaging forces that exist. Over-fishing of the oceans is a much more serious problem, one that threatens the world’s food supply.

                          I don't understand why you mentioned watching people have sex; that was something outside of my complaint. I would like to point out to you that the prohibition was not conditional, it was absolute. The prohibition did not say "Do not have sex in the hot spring if somebody is watching". Including this aspect seems peculiar to me, but that is probably due to my lack of exposure to exhibitionistic/voyeuristic sexual practices. I expect people to have sex in relative privacy - and the springs offer that on occasion. I dare say that most people that would like to have sex in a hot spring probably don't want you to watch - so they'll wait until you leave or they will forego it and find somewhere else.

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                            Wed, September 5, 2007 - 4:59 PM
                            hey, let up on the hostility. I dig Sierra, you don't, it's no big. if I like old Jethro Tull albums and you like hip hop, that doesn't make one of us right and the other wrong. but don't tell me I'm part of the Pathetic Fallacy. i probably have as much training in biological science and ecoogy as almost anyone here and while my opinions are only opinions, they are informed opinions.

                            hey, most people die of "natural causes" and death is built into the organism as it were but even a pacifo-anarchist like me feels there are reasons for laws against murder, eh? same goes for fire.

                            unless you reserve a private room or bath for sex, seems like abnyone else who paid the day's admission can walk in any time and it does kind of kill the communal enjoyment, at least for me. there are places in the claistoga Valley that have private mineral springs baths in the hotel rooms, probablybest for that.

                            anyway...we're all entitled to our opinions, but please don't insult my intelligence because we disagree.

                            Judith
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                              Sat, September 8, 2007 - 1:44 PM
                              I think the problem with dogs is that their owners often don't pick up after them. I've been at festivals where I've watched people let their dogs mess right on the main path, then cover it with a bit of dirt, and walk on, leaving a nice surprise for the next person... :0

                              The problem with sex in the baths is: it restricts others from using the baths while you're boinking. (So, yeah, if you want sex in hot water, rent a private pool somewhere, or find an isolated wild HS... or get your own hot tub.)

                              I generally prefer wild hot springs, but for a developed HS, I thought Sierra was very relaxed.

                              Anyone been to Keough lately? I wondred abotu that one, but I had to get home post BM by that point...

                              Hot Creek is closed to swimming right now BTW -- some new cracks opened up, and the water's too hot to swim in now -- plus high arsenic levels... c'est la vie...
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                                Sat, September 8, 2007 - 10:18 PM
                                I'm inclined to agree with you about the dogs, but there are compromises available that would allow pets and still deal with canine sewage. I suspect that the problem runs in a different direction - like some dogs are likely to chase the livestock that grazes nearby. I'm curious to know what the actual problem is (or was) that made them ban pets.

                                "The problem with sex in the baths is: it restricts others from using the baths while you're boinking." Well, yes and no. I've been in a hot spring where only three of the seven of us realized that there was a couple engaged in sexual coupling - it wasn't 'flagrant', she was just sitting in his lap. Most of the people in the hot spring were so caught up in their own thing that they weren't aware of what was going on around them. Were it me that wanted to have sex in a hot spring (which isn't likely), I'd wait until everyong else was gone, probably because I'd be too embarrased to ask them if it was ok with them for us to do that while they were there.

                                In counterpoint, I can say that flagrant sexual activity in a hot spring might well offend me. Regardless of whether they are gay or straight, slavoring hormonoids are usually rude. For me, it isn't sex acts that should be banned, but rude behaviour. Unfortunately, that leads to a large grey area, based on who thinks what is rude.

                                I still think that whether sex in the baths is appropriate or not, the ban that Sierra Hot Springs has is inappropriate. But it is their property, so they can write their rules and I will respect them while I am there. But I will probably not be spending any more of my money to support their restrictions.
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                              Sat, September 8, 2007 - 9:55 PM
                              So trying to support my position and counter your erroneous opinions makes me hostile?

                              Let me explain this clearly: I was not communicating in a hostile mode - but I could, if you would like an example of what that is.

                              I did not say that you were pathetic or that you were a fallacy or that you were part of the Pathetic Fallacy. Claiming that I told you you are a part of the Pathetic Fallacy is another error on your part - I made no such claim. If you cannot understand what I posted, take another look at what I wrote and consider whether there are other nuances of meaning contained there. If you still do not understand, or if you think you see some ambiguity that you would like clarified, you have the option of asking me to elucidate. You can use the option of dialog in order to gain additional understanding it you want to. So far you appear to have made assumptions that do not bear on the issues.

                              I have not insulted your intelligence, nor am I likely to. That sort of exchange is referred to as an "Ad Hominem" attack, and is very nearly an admission of defeat. What I have addressed are the points you have raised. If my counterpoints have made you uncomfortable, it's probably because they are stronger than your points. Don't blame me for that - it doesn't make me hostile when you are wrong and can't or won't admit it.
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                                Sun, September 9, 2007 - 5:00 PM
                                aw cool it, you're being intellectually competitive in a hostile way and then telling me it's because I'm 'wrong." I'm too busy to engage in thisany more. I'm not interrested in your analysis of my "errors" or your intellectual credentials. I'm way too involved with my own life, my own studies and my own pursuits to care much.

                                I will say opinions are only opinions and by nature not "erroneous" or "correct." Saying "the recipe in Joy of Cooking for vichysoisse does not contain sauteed onions" is a fact that can be checked for accuracy. "Vichysoisse tastes weird with sauteed onions" is a matter of opioin...one person's "weird" might be another person's "delicious" or "innovative."

                                like I said, no big deal if I like some places or things you don't or vice versa.

                                and yes, I DO find your tone hostile...having to Be Right is generally a hostile act. and I am often guilty of same.

                                jut don;t have time to bother further.

                                enjoy putting other people down and then saying there's no put down implied if it makes you feel better. but don't expect tobe lauded for doing so.

                                I can "understand" what you're saying quite well even if I don't agree.

                                there are usually a range of acceptable reactions or opinions on any topic and that doesn't mean someone who doesn;t back sown and say, "oh of course you are RIGHT" is mistaken or less intelligent than you.

                                I'm done. go enjoy some hot springs where people welcome snotty intellectual argument, fucking in the tubs, building fires in high fire danger areas, locking dogs in cars, or whatever other behavirs you prefer to be around.

                                we had two major forest fires sincethis subtopic got started, I think my point is well taken and if I were managing a retreat center with camping, you bet I'd say not to cook outdoors.
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                                  Mon, September 10, 2007 - 12:26 AM
                                  So now you are telling me what to do.

                                  I have no respect for you telling me what to do.

                                  You don't have the authority.

                                  Your opinions do not give you the right.

                                  I consider such an imposition of your will to be an unwarranted, hostile and threatening act.

                                  Yes, I have argued against your opinions. I have not told you what you should do about them. You do not have to change your ways to suit me, you can continue the way you are. There is no coercion coming from me and I'm not telling you what to do.

                                  Opinions can be disproven by facts. This has been long known through history. It's a part of 'The Scientific Method'.

                                  I haven't 'put you down' - I've argued against your opinions. There is a difference.

                                  "there are usually a range of acceptable reactions or opinions on any topic..." Except for mine, apparently. Well, I'm not backing down here unless and until you can show me how my opinions are in error. If you can do that, I will acknowledge that you are right. I don't even ask that you treat me the same way; I'm not requiring that you acknowledge that I am right.
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                                    Tue, September 11, 2007 - 7:13 PM
                                    heh.


                                    I have no time for any of this. enjoy your opinions.

                                    I know something about the scientific method. have an honors degree (that included plenty of science and philosophy of science FWIW) from a prestigious university, working on another oneteaching school, raising a child on my own, and taking care of my friends and family.

                                    and getting away to find places I find nurturing when I can. like I say, if Sierra's too many rules for you, that's cool...go somewhere else, and do enjoy.

                                    I have no interest in being "right" or arguing about it over the Internet...have a real life that's plenty demanding.

                                    I also have no interest in telling you what to do, other than that I encourage you to enjoy your life somewhere the rules, or lack thereof, suit your tastes.

                                    I'm not going to engage here any more. this bores me.
                                • Re: Any Sierra Hot Springs tips?

                                  Mon, September 10, 2007 - 7:39 AM
                                  Fire danger - totally forgot about that one.

                                  Right, no problem with that one either. Most campgrounds (State / federal parks, etc.) disallow fires for the same reason right now.

                                  Hey - I have a portable hot tub that I made from a hi-tech wading pool and a Zodi camp shower heater.
                                  There's an idea - bring your own hot tub !

                                  Mine's going on my patio, and another at my cabin ;)

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